The Absence of Logic: Possible VS Likely

[Phil]

The Absence of Logic: Possible VS Likely
By Charles Staley





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[WhiteHulk4]

I understand that if you were to eat almost entirely protein, you could eat an assload before you'd get fat.

BUT, what about ADDING protein to your diet? Say you're eating a balanced diet of protein, carbs & fat (let's just say 40% carbs, 30% protein, 30% fat) at your maintenance requirement of 2,500 calories per day.

Now, if you were to take that diet, and ADD 100 grams of protein to it - you'd be adding 400 calories to your daily amount and you'd be getting 2,900 calories per day.

Would that scenario contribute to gaining fat? All you did was add extra protein.

[Phil]

You would gain weight slowly, of course some would could be fat, but at that low of an increase minimal and also progress would be slow.

excess intake means gaining and can be fat, just adding the right intake swings things a bit in your direction. A gain WILL!! mean some fat gain and thats to be expected and accepted. If you gain even the same amount of BF and lean mas you are bigger at the same BF%. Thats GOOD

[Justin Negrete]

Protein is highly thermogenic as well.

A 120kcal protein ingestion probably ends up being less kcals, and your body ramps up a little to burn it anyways.

Like charles said, its way more fun/easy/tasty to ingest carbs and fats.

We live in an age of excessive information overload. We are bombarded by information every single day.

As humans, we instinctively piece together all of this information into a nice, neat, comfortable package that we can live with.

I think ive heard an argument FOR and AGAINST every single macro, micro, supplement, "natural" drug, lift, weight implement.

The bottom line is this, to me, as far as foods go.

a) the body DOES NOT produce certain compounds (ie: various amino acids, essential fats such as linoleic acid) And you must ingest these.

b) There is no such thing as an essential carb. The body can create the carbs it needs via chemical synthesis pathways.

c) fats are needed for hormonal balance, and the vital parts of all cells are made up from them.

From personal experience (as a distance runner, now weight lifter) the "quality" (whatever that means) of ingestion of energy (food) seems to not matter as much. When i was a runner i was eating pizza, burgers, fries, carbs, ice cream, whatever. i stayed lean. eventually i followed a typical runners diet consisting on a lot of carbs. My total kcal intake was LOW though. i got stick thin.

As a weight lifter, ive bulked up on a LOT of "clean" foods (ie: not much pizza, fries, or ice cream) and ive put on quite a bit of poundage.

At least for me.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Justin Negrete

b) There is no such thing as an essential carb. The body can create the carbs it needs via chemical synthesis pathways.

Ah yes essential. Then we get that sticky word Optimal. For optimum results and progress. There are many things that we need not ingest for essential health, or we neednt to in training as they are not essential, BUT carbs, non essential amino's and non essential fats, It doesnt mean we shouldnt (individually) intake and adjust these level to find our optimum what works best for us, our goals, and lifestyle.

[Justin Negrete]

Originally Posted by Phil

Ah yes essential. Then we get that sticky word Optimal. For optimum results and progress. There are many things that we need not ingest for essential health, or we neednt to in training as they are not essential, BUT carbs, non essential amino's and non essential fats, It doesnt mean we shouldnt (individually) intake and adjust these level to find our optimum what works best for us, our goals, and lifestyle.

Yes, totally agree.

Carbs are essential if you want some kick ass sessions, dont get me wrong. I was just getting at the scientific edge, which people seem to always refer back to. Im sure the dudes at Outback heard this from some medical expert or something, but haven't even tried it out. Experimentation is required. Some folks do poorly on carbs, some do poorly on fats, etc.

"A calorie is not a calorie is a calorie"

Same thing goes for fruit. Fruit gets a bad wrap because its "sugar". I be willing to bet if someone, on top of their normal diet (athletic diet) supplemented with 15 apples, some oranges, a bushel of friggen grapes, and maybe... a grapefruit... they would likely NOT get fat. What would happen is they would finish apple number 4, mabye 3 grapes, then be in the bathroom half of the day feeling like hell. Natures way of telling you to stop eating.

people dont binge on protein, its way filling.

"Dude after this session im going to go eat 8 chicken breasts and 10 apples!"

Good luck with that! lol

[Ingolf]

Justin

I agree. Then I agree some more.

About fruit, In an effort to get my kids, 4 and 2 to eat more fruit. We've begun to stock our counter with a lot of fruit. Apples and bananas all the time and then seasonal, right now oranges and kiwi. I gain less fat when eating a decent amount of fruit. Talking two bananas two apples, an orange and a couple of kiwis. Not so hungry at meals. Also a an apple and a glass of milk or shake is perfect between meals.

Cheers Ingolf

[Coach P]

Originally Posted by Ingolf

Justin

I agree. Then I agree some more.

About fruit, In an effort to get my kids, 4 and 2 to eat more fruit. We've begun to stock our counter with a lot of fruit. Apples and bananas all the time and then seasonal, right now oranges and kiwi. I gain less fat when eating a decent amount of fruit. Talking two bananas two apples, an orange and a couple of kiwis. Not so hungry at meals. Also a an apple and a glass of milk or shake is perfect between meals.

Cheers Ingolf

Here's where the confusion comes in with fruit. If you look at most cutting/fat loss programs there is quite an absence of fruit for obvious reasons (low carb). Even though fruit is an essential part of a healthy diet if you are trying get BF% into single digits some would argue that fruit is not your friend. The problem is in the literature...most people are misinformed and some random person doing a search on losing BF might come across some info about losing BF and assume they should cut out fruit. Essentiallly, all they really want to do is lose a little weight and get healthy. Then fruit plays an esssential role that they misinterpret.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Justin Negrete

"Dude after this session im going to go eat 8 chicken breasts and 10 apples!"

Good luck with that! lol

HEY!!!! when I was in thailand I would have a whole chicken and a whole pineapple post workout LOL I was R E G U L A R

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Coach P

Here's where the confusion comes in with fruit. If you look at most cutting/fat loss programs there is quite an absence of fruit for obvious reasons (low carb). Even though fruit is an essential part of a healthy diet if you are trying get BF% into single digits some would argue that fruit is not your friend. The problem is in the literature...most people are misinformed and some random person doing a search on losing BF might come across some info about losing BF and assume they should cut out fruit. Essentiallly, all they really want to do is lose a little weight and get healthy. Then fruit plays an esssential role that they misinterpret.

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